Hello, my fellow extraordinary Americans welcome back to the Show.

In today’s episode, we have Theresa Huff. Teresa Huff is the host of the grant Writing Simplified podcast. She’s a Ted X speaker and the go-to expert in grant writing and nonprofit strategy. She helped nonprofits Triple their funding and maximize theirs. After winning over $7 million for schools and nonprofits, she now teaches nonprofits the strategies they need to develop billions in sustainable funding.

Her podcast has been downloaded in over 100 countries across 6 continents. Thousands of students worldwide have completed her online grant writing programs. Teresa uses her master’s in education and over 20 years of experience in writing special education and business to help nonprofit leaders take their skills to the next level. 

She mentors grant riders through their interactive fast track to grant riders of VIP programs. Available for the university-level crew. Teresa is committed to helping people maximize their impact and help them make a difference in this world. She’s definitely what I would consider an extraordinary American, and I’m really glad to have her as a guest on this podcast. Teresa, are you there? 

Thank you for the kind introduction and it’s great to be on the show.

It’s an honor to have you here on the show. I’m really excited to interview Teresa. So, Teresa, tell me a little bit more about yourself, your background, and how you got started. 

When I graduated from college, I started out as a special Ed teacher and a lot of people think, well, wait. Then how did you get into grant writing when we first had kids, I wanted to stay home when they were little. So, I heard of a lady nearby who did grant writing, and I asked her to meet me for coffee. And she was a brilliant resource at the time. Google was not a thing; so, I Couldn’t just look up how to be a brand writer. And so, I met with her. And by the end of our conversation, she said, “You know, I’d love to have you join our team. I’m looking to add a couple of people if you’re interested.

So, I jumped at the chance to work with her. For a couple of years and learned a lot. She was a brilliant mentor and a wonderful person. Such a good, great writer, and got some great experience with her. And then when we moved away, I branched out on my own and started consulting with clients and building up my own business through word of mouth and kept going from there. 

And so, it’s kind of evolved over time for a long time, I did grant writing. Consulting and then some other things along the way, and then more recently the last probably three years or so, I’ve gotten more into the teaching and coaching and strategy side of grant writing. Because after working with nonprofits over the years, I saw certain patterns of things that worked well and things that did not work and started picking out those things that worked and putting those together and realizing if I can help nonprofits, upstream and ship their strategy. They can be so much more effective in their missions and with their grant applications and understanding that piece of that can help transform them in a much bigger way. 

So that’s where I’ve shifted now and focusing more on the strategic side. And with teaching grants, because I can only write so many grants myself, I can teach other people, and then we can have a much bigger impact that way. So that’s been a journey with lots of ups and downs and learning curves, but it’s been one I wouldn’t trade.

That’s awesome for you. So, what was the motivating factor that made you go into the entire grant writing career, or like what was it about Grant writing that just made you think, I want to do this as a major part of my identity and I want to do this all together.

That’s a good question. I always really enjoyed writing and it was pretty natural for me to be a good writer, and I liked the idea of grant writing, and maybe it was from being a special Ed teacher in the classroom and thought, you know, that would be a cool way to help schools get more money. And I didn’t know much about nonprofits yet, but I found that grant writing was a way to combine my training in special education, we have to write pretty extensive, individualized education plans for each student, and that was one of my favorite parts of the job was describing and writing out the programs and figuring out the best strategies for each person. 

And so, I realized that was a perfect translation into grant writing. And using my education degree and having mastered some of the curriculum design and program design with grants went hand in hand. 

So, a lot of the things I had trained for, even though I thought it was special education actually, was the perfect preparation for grants and then realizing. I can have a big impact on an entire community of people, and not just one classroom of 15 or 20 kids, I can impact an entire school, district, or an entire county by helping their food pantry get food for the whole year, or by helping the school get half $1,000,000 to overhaul their entire technology and library program. 

So, it was a way to have a bigger impact on causes and places and people that I still cared very deeply about using the skills I already had in place and just tweaking and growing those a bit. 

Teresa, there’s like a lot over there, right? And it’s just an incredible cause, you know, like getting grants is and it seems easy on the surface, but it’s really difficult to do.

 But a lot of people like, especially in our audience, they have they might not understand nonprofits and attaining grants, but in the future, they want to make an impact In the world that they want to make difference if you had to tell a beginner or like basically explained to a beginner who’s never been in the nonprofit area or how to do grants like, how do you explain to them there’s the process of getting you even started in the nonprofit industry or writing grants or getting grants?

That’s one of the most common questions I hear is people say, where do I start? And a lot of people don’t realize they already probably had some pretty good skills to work with. I didn’t realize as a teacher that I had. Some are transferable. Skills and people come to me from different backgrounds but. Understanding that and understanding the process of grants is helpful, so I always recommend looking at what skills you have to work with, what’s around you as far as what nonprofits are concerned in your community, and where you have already worked or volunteered. What are you connected to? 

And if you are already working with a nonprofit looking at what funders are available in the Community, what opportunities are here locally where we can build relationships? And that’s one piece that people often miss. They see grants as just an ATM as a way to get money. And but really, it’s more about building a relationship and there’s a person on the other side at every grant we write. So, we need to write to that person and get to know the person. What do they care about and how can we help them fulfill that mission that they want to impact by giving them this proposal? 

So, it becomes more of a community partnership and when someone’s looking to start, look at what you have to work with, and what’s around. You and how you can plug into that, I like to tell people instead of crossing the Grand Canyon, let’s find the shortest distance from point A to point B, and that’s where you start. 

So, if you’re great at social media and digital marketing, maybe you start working with a nonprofit to help them in that regard. But at the same time, also start looking at grants and opportunities. How can we expand this so you’re building up what you have to work with instead of starting from scratch and trying to walk in cold? 

People wouldn’t even know where to begin with grants. Like they’re just they just having their mind said. OK, I’m going to like to write a letter or an application to somebody that just talks about my cause. But then why would they give me money? 

So, what would you tell those people that were a beginner that wants to start a nonprofit in the future? But they’re like, wow, This is a daunting task. Like what? What am I going to do to convince him personally? Because I think that’s what grant writing is all about. Persuasion, right? But then a lot of people like them find the idea of persuading an organization or. And the government gives them money to help their cause. A pretty daunting challenge. So, what would you tell people like that? 

I’m glad you asked that because that does come up a lot and people don’t always understand that grants come much later in the process of a nonprofit. People sometimes think of nonprofits. You can just start a nonprofit and get grant funding, and that’ll take care of everything off the ground. But really, grants are looking for established programs that other people are already investing in. 

And that you’re stable, and your program is up and running. You have other sources of funding in place. Then you can move on to grant applications from there and they can become a part of what you’re already doing as opposed to startup funds because lots of people have ideas and need money for the startups. But that’s not what most grants are looking to invest in. They want to invest in the stabilized program. 

So, if someone like you said, is looking to start a nonprofit. First, research the market and see what’s already happening. Just like with the business what’s already out there so that you’re not duplicating services. What gaps are there that need to be filled and how can you work together to fill those gaps? So, then you start building up your team, your board, your fundraising, your other aspects of your program and then down the road a year or two you can start looking at grant funds. 

Yeah, there are so many things to like and delve into over here. Like, I wanted to know one thing is like, what was the overall arching goal and vision when it came to like non-profit? Like, where are you? Where do you see the ultimate vision for a non-profit in America and in the world altogether? Like how do you see it affecting the world and like you? Personally, as well as in terms of your vision.

You know that is something that has evolved and it’s evolving more and more. Even as we speak and what’s starting my podcast around grants? I’ve realized from talking to so many different people in the nonprofit space that we need to shift upstream and help grant or help nonprofits at a much higher level so that they can be more successful down the road. 

And so, I feel like a lot of education, a lot of conversations like this, a lot of misconceptions need to be debunked. A lot of things in the sector need to shift around that to better support nonprofits and, for example, when I gave my Ted talk recently, I talked about how so many people say, oh, just get a grant for that. You have a nonprofit. Oh, you should just get Grant. But grants are more like training for a marathon. They’re not like a microwave hot pocket. It’s more like you’ve got to train and prepare and build a really solid foundation, and then you’re ready for grants. And so, we as a society can better support nonprofits by helping them build that framework. Can that foundation? To have that bigger return on impact. 

So, Teresa’s one of the greatest things about nonprofits, right? And it’s a really interesting intersection that I find in the overall, like on a national level is it’s the ultimate, in a way, it’s like the greatest thing against, like, a big government altogether because a lot of people, a lot of times, people want a big government to supply from this and that. 

But if nonprofits take up that opportunity and do that, then we can actually have a small government, and then it actually helps the economy in the long term. It’s the reason why I wanted to invite you to the show and like, dig your mind into this. Because in a way it actually, it helps the economy in the long term because a lot of Chinese people go through a lot of suffering. They need money, they need help, and nonprofits can be the organizations that help these people like, like, be charity organizations. 

What we have is a big government. Then there’ll be more people that would need it.  We’ll just support big government and then that will lead to something like Socialism or something like that. So, it’s just something that I noticed, you know, like a point that I noticed in my mind. 

Spot on and you know one of I’m actually hosting a Myth Busters roundtable next week about this because a lot of people seem to think that we shouldn’t fund nonprofit overhead. 

That, oh, we want our money to just go to the program itself. We don’t want anything to go overhead when really the overhead. The expenses of a nonprofit are a part of the program, and it’s a part of executing the program well. Nonprofits need overhead support, and they need help covering those expenses so they can deliver the program and fulfill those needs exactly like what you’re saying. Because there are these gaps in society, and that’s why nonprofits are created.

On the plus side, the nonprofit side encounter is full of such caring, giving people some of the best people in the world because of this cause, this mission that they just are so compelled to help. And be a part of and help solve this problem, whatever it is, and so. It’s really encouraging to see that. But then at the same time we also need to support them financially because they don’t need to burn out. There’s so much turnover in the sector because people have a perception that nonprofits should just operate on a shoestring as opposed to businesses where it’s great for a business to thrive and make money. But for some reason, the perception is that nonprofits should just be bare bones. But I feel like the sector as a whole, we need to flip that and have respect for the work they’re doing. So that, as you said, it doesn’t turn into the government taking over all these programs.

No, I mean, I totally agree with you because if you look at if there are 12 different organizations, it’s a decentralized network that’s helping people all together and they’re not trying to be authoritarian. They’re not trying to control you. They’re just trying to help. But when it comes to big government programs, it starts off with the pretense that they’re going to help you, but in the end, they’ll just take over, you know, and it’s not. 

Kind of the opposite, yeah. 

So, what you’re doing is really amazing. Like, I want the audience to know that, like, nonprofits are what keeps like, what keeps like a small government and what keeps the economy thriving altogether. And it stops like this big, spending all, all of that, you know. 

I wanted to ask you, like, what is the biggest lesson you learned? During your time like working with writing grants for nonprofits. 

Oh, my goodness. So which ones? Do you want to?

Like the biggest.  

Let’s see. 

A lesson like something that was just like. Profound that you just hate your entire worldview altogether. There was no going back like that was the moment where, like, WOW, OK, I learned this lesson like, now. My worldview is forever altered. Because I can tell you mine when I was.

Yeah, I can tell you buy it like buy for me it was just if you have a bunch of decentralized like as I was saying, like. Non Profit organizations that are caring and compassionate help the people in their cities and there in their towns. They supply, they supply the water they are getting, and they take care of the basic necessities that we would have no need for a big government altogether. It will solve that problem altogether, and then there’ll be no threat of authoritarianism. 

Like for me, that was a profound thing. Like, I would definitely try to support as many nonprofits as possible that are trying. To help people stand on their own feet and make them independent. But uh, but. But for you, what was the biggest? Insight or a lesson that you learned all together. 

I’d say I don’t know if this is a lesson, it’s just. Been more of a challenge that I’ve been feeling in the last year, the last few months or so of just needing to shift to more of a global impact level because nonprofits are a huge piece of our sector like you’re saying. And if we can shift the perception and the support around nonprofits. We can start to shift the impact of what they’re doing on some of these issues and social problems and the missions that they’re trying to carry out. 

But a lot of nonprofits just don’t know how, and so they need the tools and support we need as a society to better provide that and to come alongside that instead of saying, oh. just get a Grant for that and think we’ve been supportive and done our job. Let’s support and with my ROI framework and my talk of building relevance optimization and interaction and helping them with those three key pieces, then we can support them and truly do that, and that’s where it needs to start by not just throwing out quick little advice, thinking we’re being helpful when really, it’s more stumbling blocks, but coming alongside as a part of them and partnering with them to support them and that needs to ship to more of that global message for me and it’s more of a compelling thing like starting the podcast and all these different pieces. That I’ve been doing.

It’s not. It’s all easy. I can tell you that. 

You’re right, you know. 

Like it, making an impact is never easy. It’s always like an effort and you have to be consistent, and You have to have a good work ethic.

That’s the key, yeah. And I finally decided to channel all my childhood stubborn streak. And when I started the podcast, like, OK, I might as well use that for something good and going to stay consistent with this. And you’re right, it’s not easy. You know, from doing yours and it’s tough, but it’s very worthwhile and it’s one of those things. You plant the seeds, and you may not see results. Until months or years down the road, but it will come if you stay. 

No, I totally agree. It’s kind of like a harvest. You know like. You plant the seeds, it takes months or like a year, but eventually. Things happen. But I wanted to ask you what your favorite type of nonprofit organization is like and why? What are your favorite categories of non-profit organizations and why? 

You know, in the last couple of years I’ve learned a lot more than I used to. And for a while it was mainly, I worked a lot with organizations that impacted kids and families because yeah, I just, I love kids, I love babies, and I think families are so important. 

So that’s still, of course, near and dear to my heart. Recently this year I’ve also been working with a couple of really interesting nonprofits that are making more of a global impact. And so, getting to be a part of that one of them produces and creates solar-powered audio Bibles in hundreds of languages. 

With solar power, what? 

Audio bibles. 

I hear that right is so hard for you. I have never heard that in my time. 

I’ve had either. It is the coolest thing, and I mean they’re going to these countries where they don’t have Wi-Fi electricity. The harsh desert climates are really hard on smartphones, so these devices are sturdy. Some of them have built-in flashlights. And they’re solar-powered. And in all these local tribal dialects, the people can pass them around and share them and gather around and listen to the Bible in their own language when maybe they’ve never even heard of it before. So, the stories around that and the impact it’s making is pretty incredible. So being a part of something like that at a much more global level is really cool. 

So let me get this straight, you have a nonprofit that wants to bring the Bible to the regions where there’s no Wi-Fi and no electricity, and they’re using solar energy to do this. 

It’s on a small device.  

That is wow. 

And that’s not all. They also just this year launched a deaf Bible. 

What Bible?  

You heard me.  A deaf Bible

No, I. 

Yeah, it’s the whole thing. It’s like a tablet. And the whole thing is in American Sign Language. So, there’s someone signing the entire Bible. It’s the first one that’s the full Bible in American Sign Language. And so, one of their next goals is to get it in more sign language translations because I guess there are many throughout the. So yeah, they are always working towards trying to translate into more languages, but of course, that takes a lot of resources to do. So, I know it’s all mind-blowing, isn’t it? 

No, I mean I thought I knew about nonprofits… but wow.

Yeah, I know it was a pretty eye-opening one for me to learn about. It’s been pretty cool to learn how they’re expanding their reach.

I see, yeah. I’m a little bit mind blowing, to be honest, but yeah, pretty straight.

Yeah, it’s called a mega voice, so check it out. 

Yeah, I’m also thinking of the solar power Bible, and I was like. Man, that’s. 

It’s like they have different sizes of little pocket-sized devices. And yeah, the entire Bible is on there. It’s all enclosed. So that the elements, sand, and things can’t get in there. 

Yeah, I mean, that’s pretty cool

But on a different note. Teresa, you know America, they say it’s the land of, the free and the place where dreams are made. What do you think about that statement? 

I think we are very blessed, and we have so many opportunities here that we probably take way too much for granted. We really need to steward them well and we need to steward our freedom well. And make the Most of it, and I think that’s partly. Why I feel so much more urgency around my work is because I have been given so many freedoms and blessings and I’m able to build an entrepreneurial journey here in America and I can impact nonprofits at a different level at a higher level than what so many people could. 

So, I feel like now I have this responsibility to take these things I’ve learned and to help. In part that is to the next generation of leaders of the grant, writers of nonprofits, whatever it is. So, I guess to answer your question, I feel like we are stewards and it’s up to us how we want to manage that and how we want to allocate our resources. It’s a responsibility. We’ll need to account for it, and I hope we use it well. 

I know, right. I personally believe that we can only be free if we are thinking and acting in a relatively moral way. And like, nonprofits are basically advocating for morality most of the time, you know, I mean, there are a few bad things here and there, but for the most part, we have to like, put compassion out in the world in order to like to remain free. Because I think there’s like a statement where I think some politician or something made the statement where you lose your freedoms is like a big chunk of the population loses their morality and I think helping with helping with nonprofits like it, it keeps them trying to do good, you know. 

Yes, yes. And it really starts with, like you said, the compassion and kindness and respect for each other and learning how we can help each other despite whatever differences, whatever different backgrounds we may have, we can still be kind and compassionate.

So, Teresa, you know, a lot of Americans right now, they’re struggling with realizing the American dream and the American dream is different for different people, obviously. But from a non-profit standpoint like you’ve been in this industry for a long time and when you see a lot of Americans trying to realize their American dream like, what is the biggest hurdle according to you, which stops them from attaining what they want?

I would say it goes hand in hand between funding and also the knowledge and education to understand how to use it and what to do next. I talk with a lot of nonprofits that are so heartfelt and so passionate about whatever their cause is. But they just don’t know the strategies and the steps to move forward. 

So, I think education and funding go hand in hand because I see both of those two things. Is a huge hurdle and I feel like both of those are solvable that we as a society can help fix in conversations like this through strategies, through resources that we are creating, I think it is solvable that right now those are the biggest hurdles.

I see. You know, like, when it comes to nonprofits, it’s usually for a cause, and it’s usually to help people, but a lot of people, a lot of times, like in our, in our society today, like in our American society, we notice that there’s been an increase in an increase in selfishness and self-centeredness altogether. And like they tend to turn everything political, you know, like, even something like helping people. Cause I remember, like when the Hurricanes hit in Florida and in Texas over the past few years, like, there were organizations that literally try to help people. But then somehow the lack of the political landscape will just make everything political. Do you think nonprofit is something that is beyond politics or like it’s something that cannot escape the political landscape altogether? 

That varies by the type of nonprofit and the type of work they’re doing. Some of them, unfortunately, are hindered by a lot of hoops and a lot of government. Others have more leeway and more freedom, so it depends on their structure and also their funding because some are funded by a lot of government grants.

That’s exactly what I was going to ask you. Right. 

A lot of grants are coming from the government, but the government has been politicized over the past two, two, or three decades, maybe even longer than that. But like, even something like helping people in a hurry again, like that’s becoming a political thing, like, OK, you have like organizations like try to help or now your part of the right or part of the left. But the entire point is you’re just trying to help people. It’s not on the right or the left. It’s basically, it’s like the humane thing to do.

Right. And sometimes that also has an impact on the types of funding available, like a few years ago, I had written a large federal grant and I had written one and gotten it. And so, we knew the process. We knew that we had a very good competitive chance. So, we were writing it again in the second year for a different school. And knew it was a solid application. We weren’t going to do well.

And so we Were in touch with the founders. How’s everything going? Are you still going to be running the competition this year? And they said yes, go ahead and submit it. So far everything is on track. We’re good to go. 

So, I mean, and those are hours and hours and hours of work like. It was intense over 100 hours in a very short time. That has to be put in to submit these. And so, we submitted it, and then a couple of weeks later, as the presidential administration changed. So did their funding priorities and they pulled the plug on the entire grant program. 

No way. 

So, I mean, it would have been half $1,000,000 for the school district, and yeah, it was just sickening all that work down the drain, all that funding that they just, it’s like it was so close and they were really frustrated. So, things can change overnight. 

Man, so it’s kind of like a wave now it’s basically I mean over the past two decades, but that’s exactly what I wanted to ask you. What has your experience been like in this entire? Like when it comes to getting grants in this current environment that we’re in because. Obviously, things have become more selfish and self-centered, and polarizing over the past two decades, but this example over here is pretty intense actually. 

Yeah, it was, and you know. At the federal grants, things change so fast it’s really hard to keep up sometimes with what are the current trends. What’s happening? What’s the funding going to be like? Sometimes they will say you won’t even know it’s coming out and then they’ll announce it and maybe you’ll have a three-week window to turn around the application and extensive work. 

And so that’s why I’ve kind of gone back to waive from working on federal grants. And focus more on foundations. And like I said on the teaching and strategy, because if you have enough others. Avenues and relationships built up. You don’t have to be so heavily reliant on those higher-risk pieces. It may change at the drop of a hat. Or maybe the funding just goes away and gets funneled to something else. 

So, it really Is a volatile market sometimes in a sense, but you can look for other revenues that are more stable and lower risk and then you can build up your muscle in a sense so that if you do apply for the federal grants, not your entire operation is hinging on it. You can still be stable with or without funding. 

So, Teresa would like your experience in nonprofits on a national scale. What would be the ideal scenario for nonprofits altogether on a national scale like the ideal environment, where they can thrive and they can, can help people to the maximum extent – according to you.

That’s really good. I think if we had a clear supportive roadmap for nonprofits to help them understand. The basic building. Blocks to get off the ground instead of making so many hoops and requirements and wait times and all this extensive paperwork for the application. Then you wait months or even a year to get approved. Like, let’s reduce some of the busy requirements and the walls to that, let’s take those down and instead let’s support them in more strategic ways with clear funding opportunities, clear reasons for funding the work, and the mission that they’re doing, and opportunities to educate them and to help them truly solve the problem. So they can be working on the mission instead of running around trying to fill out paperwork and find grants. Let’s actually let them work on the missions they love so they can make an impact.

No, that’s not totally I agree. That’s actually it makes rational sense altogether. 

So, Teresa, yeah, you are, can you tell the audience a little bit more about the grant writing simplified podcast that you have? 

Sure, I started it by thinking there were certain things I wish I had known when I was a new grant writer and when I was working with nonprofits and trying to figure out all the things. Now with Google, there’s so much information even though I didn’t have that, there wasn’t much to pick from, and now it’s overwhelming. 

So, I started grant writing simplified to help people understand and break it down concept by the concept of how to understand the process of grant writing, how to get started, and how to be more strategic. And also, sometimes I interview other experts in the field to get their perspectives or additional resources on fundraising or what other nonprofits are. Doing to be successful in their work, so it’s a comprehensive view, but breaks it down step by step. I like to keep things simple and clear and very good takeaways. It’s very practical. So, it’s a combination of resources.

No, that’s awesome, I know that podcasting again, starting a podcast can be pretty intense. And. Yeah, and especially like, especially for people such as myself, who are like an introvert, and then I know you’re an introvert too. But like after some time it gets normal and we get into a rhythm. So. It’s pretty, it’s pretty good that you started a podcast and it’s actually helping a lot of people, and I’ll definitely recommend it to my audience to take a look at that.

Thank you for that. I appreciate that.

So, Teresa is there. Any other work that you’re doing, or is there something that you’re working on right now that you want the audience to get a glimpse of?

I am well. I just finished the TEDx talk, as you know recently, and so now I feel like the framework is there and I need to crank out the book, so that’s on the radar.

Each of the audience talked a little bit more About the TEDx talk that you did.

Sure, it’s called real ROI or grant writing. And back to what I mentioned before about people often saying, oh, just get a grant. The nonprofits like OK, how am I supposed to do that when that really just adds more pressure and weight that they don’t need. 

So instead, let’s help them truly build a return on impact in the business world. That’s a return on investment. We know you’re not going to get your money back. In the nonprofit. World Grant funders are looking at where can we make the most impact with these funds, and that may be as many people as possible, or that may be a small group that we can invest in this small community or this little group of students to have a big impact on those lives. 

So, they’re looking at that return on impact. And to do that, I will talk about my ROI framework for helping build relevance and optimization and interaction. And the thing is, a lot of nonprofits get two of the three right, but without the third one, they’re still missing a piece and just not quite getting there. But when they can get all three of those pieces together, that’s when they can truly have that return on impact. And we can come alongside them and help them build all three of those or help them fill in the gaps that they’re missing. 

Because I mean nonprofit work, it’s tough. It’s hard. It takes consistency, and they can’t do it alone. They need us to help and so that is how we can help them and then truly have a bigger impact on those missions. 

All right, that’s pretty awesome. I would definitely recommend my audience to take a look at that TEDx talk, you know, and. 

It’s on YouTube. They can search my name or search the ROI of grant writing and it’ll pop up.

So, Teresa, where can our audience go to connect with you and get to know more about your work? And what are you doing? 

Sure, my website is theresahuff.com. And I’m on. I have LinkedIn quite a bit so you can connect with me over there and I love hearing from people. I love hearing their stories and the work that you’re doing in the world, so feel free to reach out and send me a message then of course the podcast grant writing is simplified on any podcast player. And then pick your favorite and subscribe there. 

Awesome, Teresa. I’m really honored to have you as a guest on this podcast. You know, it’s not a small feat to get millions in grants for different organizations altogether, and what you’re doing is creating a really positive impact in this world. And in America, like you’re truly an extraordinary American. And I would be honored to have you as a guest back on the show.

Thank you. It’s been an honor to be here and to be in the lineup of what you call extraordinary Americans. I mean, I feel like just an everyday person. But We all have something extraordinary that we need to do. So yeah. Thank you. 

I mean, that’s what the show is about. It’s about what ordinary Americans get doing. Extraordinary stuff like fighting against the odds. And then making things work right. 

And anyway, I want to conclude this show by telling my fellow extraordinary Americans that there’s an extraordinary within each and every one of us as it is our duty to unleash and awaken it until next time. Bye for now.