Welcome back to the show, my fellow strong Americans. 

For today’s guest, we have Sye White. Sye is a real estate professional from Helena, Mt, who has also helped open several successful restaurants, bars, and hotels. He has received three international awards for the beverage programs he developed and helped Shine a cultural light in his city. He’s passionate about nightlife and financial markets investing in real estate and greatly understands these subjects. 

He’s an extraordinary American, and I’m glad to have him on the show. Are you there?

Yeah, I’m just getting connected here. How are you doing, Cosmos?

I’m doing great, Sye. Thank you so much for taking the time to be on this show. I appreciate it.

No, absolutely. That was a lovely and generous introduction. Man, I appreciate you. Thank you.

I know you’ve been into business, and you’re into real estate. Can you tell me and the audience more about your background, story, and how you got started?

Yeah, absolutely. Starting from where my career picked off, I would say it’s always been service-oriented, customer service-oriented, helping solve problems, and working with people. That started initially in restaurants. 

And so, I got my first job. My first job was with Subway, but I eventually found my way into a Country Club and continued working up that path of serving in a restaurant. I eventually loved the process and wanted more for myself and more responsibility. I got to the point of managing restaurants as a part of that; I also did some of the back end of distribution. 

And then I kind of understood how the whole circle works for restaurants, the whole business aspect of it. I did that for a while. And then I really kind of hone down on my niche of loving wine; I’ve been a big wine guy for the past ten years and got a job managing a restaurant focusing on the line lists. I was very lucky to get the job. 

As far as it goes, I was one of those who do not quite fake it till you make it. But I wanted to do this thing, and I have this goal that I want to do this thing, and I’m working towards it. Then somebody gave me an opportunity, and I was like, oh, am I ready? And I think you know them. Kind of offering was a sign that I was. 

And then so did that. That’s how I got the wine spectator, and then national awards were received from that job. I was building that wine list. I’m Silver Star here in Helena, but I just. Even though I was kind of accomplishing some of my goals with wine and restaurants and what I was building and working with and helping other places start up.  I still felt like there was more for me. 

And being a part of Bellwether has helped shine a light on that. I used to have this big dream of developing my family homestead—I’ll get into a family origin story—but now it’s like a bigger dream, more to be, you know, a stronger dreamer. But I sort of touched on that. 

So, I was born in Helena, and this is my hometown: Helena, Mt. I like to say I’m about as Montana as it gets on one side of my family. We homesteaded near Billings and a little spot called Right Gate, and we still have the original, and that’s a whole story in itself, but we still have the original homestead acreage and then a little bit extra. 

The other side of my family is Native American from the Highline of Montana for Belknap—an indigenous community. So, my Montana roots go pretty deep. 

And so, with that, you know, history and kind of pride in that and family, I want to kind of… How can I showcase, you know, the place that I love my family and in our history? So, I am taking that homestead and wanting to develop it. And I’m like, well, how do I? How do I get there? How do I accomplish that goal? Because that’s a big goal. You know what I mean? To develop a couple of 100 acres into a kind of resort.

No, totally.

And Bellwether helped teach me this, but it’s kind of like working backward, and then, OK, if this is your big dream, this $50 million project or whatever, it’s going to be, how do you get there? 

And I’m like, well, probably one of the best ways is to snowball real estate and get some equity. Develop some equity and then just do the classic rolled-out into the next property. Now you’re having cash flow, and then eventually, I could have a culmination moment where I take all of that and then develop my home Instead. 

So, that inspired me to learn about real estate: how can I do that? How do I buy property? How do I pick good investments? How do I do that kind of deal, and so on through my self-education? 

Eventually, there will be a combination of service, customer service, and wanting to help people and solve problems. I’m just kind of mixed out well with getting the real estate because it’s the same thing, and I’m still working with people listening to the problems. I’m trying to translate for them. Yeah. 

It’s been a little over three years since I’ve been in real estate. I’m still working towards developing that homestead, but like I said, the weather has helped me. I dream bigger, and I just recently got my advanced commercial real estate certification. 

So, I am trying to build more relationships, like you said, with hotels helping some start-ups. I have a couple in town working on a new hotel; I am very excited to see how that goes. Ground floor up this year should be good for them because they’re breaking ground and everything. 

I want a lot for myself, my friends, and my family. I want to educate. And it’s really hard to do that unless you have a little entrepreneurial backbone. You know, you kind of want to go to grind and set big, lofty goals, but it’s with those big, lofty goals that you accomplish your dreams and help others accomplish their dreams.

Side this is amazing, right? Like your vision, how are you going about your thought process? My question to you is, like, the evolution of how it started, right? What was it about you? You know, there are many people from the relatively small towns. 

And I consider Helena a small town compared to, say, Austin or Dallas or Houston, where the population is 2 million, 1 million, or 3 million, as I looked it up. It’s about 30,000 or 35,000 in the capital city, right? 

So, from that perspective, how did your overall vision and goal for your career change? The transition from your teenage years to your early 20s, and as it goes, it went on to this vision you had of creating a homestead.

And yeah, I mean, and even a real fast-to-small back story. Little lore is, I mean, I was from Helen and grew up here, but also a portion of my life I grew up in Ohio, and a good portion of my life and then so middle school and high school was in Ohio and an even smaller town a small little spot called Edgerton. As a population, when I was going to school, I think it was about 2000. And then so. Just to tack on that, I never really had Big city dreams or atmosphere or anything like that, too.

I was wondering because, like normal people from relatively small towns, it goes two ways, right? They live their entire lives or have big city dreams and then go to a big city to experience life. But yeah, as you were saying.

I still have lots of friends. You know, I grew up with that. You know, they were super comfortable, and that is a happy lifestyle. For them, it’s just kind of. You know, I kind of say it’s like a bubble. 

And, you know, you have your small community; everybody knows what’s going on, and everybody, typically in this community, kind of takes care of each other, which is lovely and great. Yeah, I don’t know. I think I think kind for me; it was the antithesis. 

I felt limited because I had little to offer regarding potential offerings or things to do. I think that’s what pushed me to want to be more. One of my favorite movies is Big Fish. 

And even though it’s kind of a love story. It talks about how you can be a big fish in a small pond. But you know, you throw yourself in regarding an idea. You throw yourself in a bigger pond, and you’re. Not. You’re not a big fish anymore, so you want to be a big fish in a big pond. I think I would be, you know, just as far as ego goes, I mean, to be self-aware. I would love that. I would love that feeling of success and striving towards and accomplishing my goals. But I think growing up in a simple lifestyle kind of made me. You know, and then recently, I’ve been lucky enough to be able to do some traveling. 

And enjoy some of the luxurious touches of life. And I’m like, I like what I want. I want that a lot, and I just returned from a recent trip. I’m very lucky to go with my buddy. And I was like, how do I make more money to do this more? Because I love this kind of thing and treating myself to these. Kinds of vacation, but as far as a ride-inspired Motion, you know, past that. To get me and push me to that. 

You know, it’s hard. I think it’s more just a lack of having a thing and then wanting that for myself, my family, and my friends because everybody deserves beautiful experiences. And you know, it’s like that’s what we’re here for, to have beautiful experiences. And so yeah, I’m trying to get that for myself and then trying to host and create. That is for other people.

So, side, that’s amazing, right? And you know, you’ve been in the restaurant business and real estate, so could you tell me the audience what lesson you learned during your time in these industries that you think the audience should know regarding the real estate business or the restaurant business and even the nightlife in general?

Maybe we’ll do restaurants, and then we’ll do real estate. And I think I have more experience with restaurants here. It’s a really tough business to make it in. You, I think everybody should spend some amount of time working in a restaurant just so they can kind of get the perception of, you know, these are people that are working hard to give you service so that you don’t have to cook a meal or you don’t have to make a drink, or that you can go out to a fun social setting, I think appreciating. That is, it is super helpful, just like a personal thing. 

But then on a business thing. It’s really difficult and also relates to personal, and it’s a really difficult business to be profitable if you’re going to start up, which ties into real estate, too. But if you’re going to start up a new restaurant in an area, there are really good odds that in them, and if you don’t make it past two years, you’re not going. To succeed as a business. 

And so, for investments, it’s really hard for people to invest in restaurants because the failure rate is pretty high, and a lot of times you’re investing in the people, you know, the great managers that end up training great stuff. And so, I guess we just don’t take restaurants for granted, especially after COVID and everything. You know, this was a roller coaster for every industry. 

But restaurants are doubly so. Then, when it comes to real estate, if I could give any advice, I work with many first-time home buyers, and there’s little education. That, you know, as we’re growing up in America, they kind of coach us or help us learn how to buy a house or what the process is. 

So, understand just how many free resources there are around you that want to help you and that want you to make good financial decisions, and you know it’s. 

And so leaning on your lenders and your local banks, finding community there and setting up goals and working with them to accomplish them and kind of create like a step. Process. The same thing happened with real estate. Patients. You know, it doesn’t cost buyers anything to work with me if we’re trying to, you know, I mean, I’ve had. I’ve had buyers I’ve worked with for over two years. Trying to how we can get your point to your DTI is reasonable. Your bank likes you. You’re in a good position to where the house makes sense. It takes time, and it’s a process. But it’s going to take even longer if you keep procrastinating. This is the startup. 

Then, use your resources, agents, and lenders to help educate yourself on how to position yourself best to get into the game of real estate if you’re just looking for a family home for yourself and yours. Everybody should do that instead of paying rent for somebody else to make their mortgage payment. But then, if you’re trying. To build a smart portfolio. 

So. That’s why that model is there is because you’re renting out to people that you know they need a place to stay, and as long as you’re fair and with market value, then you can eventually continue to build that snowball cash flow, and then have several multifamily properties and then get to live the life that you want, you know you hire a property manager, take care of 10% of your expenses. Regarding managing stuff, keep some money aside for any uh moments. 

There are not many hard-written paths that they can give you if you like to do it well. I have a client I work with. She works with a model called Fire, the Fire Model, and she is financially independent and retiring early. 

It’s just about you working hard at your main job. Eventually, that could turn into real estate, and then you save 5065% of your income. Try to throw all that into the properties you’re buying and renovating if you’re doing flips and stuff like that or just buying and holding rentals. 

And you just pour your money into there and get the payments down and then and then buy the next property, get the payments down by the next property, and then her, you know, the goal would be, you know, within the next 10-15 years to be able to retire off the real estate portfolio and that she and her partner have developed. But it just takes a lot of dedication and is boring. But it eventually gets to pay off and, you know, get to spend the rest of your time, and real estate gives you that opportunity. 

This is a fascinating topic because real estate has the potential to liberate many people if it is done right financially. But I wanted to ask your opinion on this. 

So many people like, if they want to enter the real estate market now, look at the federal interest rate, around 5.5%. And they’re thinking of whether they should buy a home. And then turn it into a rental and stuff like that. What would be your advice to somebody new to the real estate game looking at the financial markets and trying to understand if they should buy a home or wait?

Yeah, I mean, that’s reasonable, dude. That’s one of those conversations, especially, you know, in in this market that you’re having a lot is, is, is now the right time. Whenever it makes sense for you, it is the right time to time the market. It is, in a way, a fool’s errand. You know, nobody knows what’s happening with interest rates. And you, you look at, like, all the top financial people, and they’re all making their headlines on what they assume will go on. They’re all different, you know? 

It’s not like they’re all coming to an end. And so, if you think that you, as a regular person reading articles here and there, have better insight than people who get paid millions of dollars to get an insight, you know you won’t win that. 

But secondly, yeah, you look at how smart money moves, and if you’re like, You know, it doesn’t make sense for me to get a house loan if lending is going to be at 6% or 7% or 8% because my money is just not doing that like my money could be doing better if I was in bonds, you know, just this, this solid say. If options like bonds were available, my money would be doing better there than the interest I’m losing from real estate. You can get kind of complex about it and be like, oh well, look at the potential property valuation increase your property will have. But you know, that’s another kind of risky game to play. 

It’s important to be educated on financial markets and what makes the most sense for your money. And, you know, the game is typically like: You work pretty hard for somebody. You make yourself a little bit of money, and you make them some money then. 

So, you work for yourself. You make yourself some money. And then you get your money working for you, and you get your money. Making money is the goal. And then, it makes more sense for you to have money-making money than buying a home. And then you should do that. And until you know, whatever kind of trips the wire makes sense for you to buy a home. And they’re not, you know, people are trying. They want to make more land, but they’re not making more land. 

And this is what we have, especially in Montana. You know, we’re very proud. About our land, and you know we have our joke, we have more cows than people, so we’re lucky enough to be in town. You know, many people can have quarter-acre lots and stuff like that. When you go to New York City, people pay so much for just little slices of property. 

And so, I think holding land is a very valuable asset. And then, if you can have a home, it makes sense for you to pay that mortgage. You then, compared to paying rent. Then yeah, but I understand, and I think the five and a half, 6% range is kind of where you start to be on the fence because it’s like. There are options for you to work with that can do good for you. As far as making money, beating the interest. 

But I think when you get around that 5%, Lower. This is where it really kind of does start to make sense to be buying homes, but then the battle is. Now there’s all this extra demand, and because it’s more reasonable, there’s more I. Do you mean there’s more? People are trying to get into the game, and then there is an argument that we kind of have, and we talk with our buyers and try to. Educate. With it, again, not knowing what interest rates will be doing. You know you could. Take the less competition now. 

And get into a home. Maybe you know that the sale-to-list ratio is a good marker to kind of pay attention to. If it’s 98% where your self numbers, how is it listed for 100,000? If STL is 98, the house sold for 98,000, so you know that people are asking for a price, but they’re not quite getting it. And so that’s good. Position for you as a buyer to be like. 

Oh, well, I know that, like you know, if I prefer pretty close or maybe change some terms and offer a full price offer. I’ll get it. But as soon as interest rates drop and there’s more competition in the water, now you’re looking at STLs of like 100 and 200 and 515%. We saw wild action here in Helena for the last two or three years. As far as people going way above, it’s like, well, now you’re in this crazy, stressful, competitive environment. You’re just kind of throwing numbers at the wall to see what sticks, and then you might not even get the house. 

So, looking at the two situations, I prefer getting into a home when there’s less competition because you can if the numbers make sense to you and you’ve done everything. It makes sense to try it before all the competition comes in. 

Overall, I know it’s like continuing to rant, but it’s a complex decision, and it’s important to be educated and use your resources. I would love to pull numbers, play the game, and figure out whether it makes sense, like talking to your financial advisor. Who? Getting hooked up with a solid FA who will give you great advice is not difficult.

Because, like everybody, if I give you a great education or a financial advisor gives you a great education, you will do well with the education provided. You use our services, then we’re going to do well, you know. So, it’s kind of how the cycle works. If we take care of you, you’ll take care of us eventually, but I think using us to help with those decisions is a huge piece. Don’t try to build the ship on your own.

I’m so sorry. This is a very interesting conversation because, you know, many people are looking into real estate, and it’s a continuation. I have a question about that. 

So, there are differing opinions on both sides, right? Some people say that real estate will continue to rise. Others believe the interest rates will trigger a massive recession. 

And that they’re expecting the real estate. Prices drop nationwide, but there are differing opinions, so many people think they want to. They want to wait for the crash when real estate goes down by half to buy. 

But obviously, you know a lot about the subject. What is your opinion about people who think that there will be a recession and that they should wait to buy real estate? 

Yeah. I mean, it’s kind of the same thing. As you know, trying to time the market is difficult. And I mean, spreadsheets are great as they help you see the numbers and how things are kind. It works out and makes sense. 

And then, I mean, if you’re going to do that, maybe? Maybe set a timeline for yourself and be like I’m willing to wait. Three years and for the market to correct and by correct, I wanted to hit a percentage of correction that I set is for a goal and then so whatever number that kind of comes to for you, and it makes sense and so you could say I want to wait at least three years and if the market corrects 25 to 40% I. Know white numbers. But whatever in that time frame. 

Then, I’ll commit to my process of buying. But there’s got to be a point right where it’s like. Well, I’m not paying rent forever and hoping that the real estate market will crash, and then, again, there’s no Oracle. Nobody knows unless.

Well, the mainstream media will have you believe otherwise. There are oracles everywhere, just making predictions and all that. 

I think I think it’s such a tough thing too, and there’s a lot of experts, you know, and yeah, and it’s a home purchase is a big purchase them to kind of gamble a little bit on, I mean, so if you’re kind of gambling that prices are going to crash. You know that’s tough. But yeah. 

So, I don’t know. I recommend making a spreadsheet and seeing how much equity you’d lose over time by continuing to pay rent compared to what that might mean in a home purchase. And where prices are tracked, you could say prices are slowly reducing. 

And so even though I’m still paying rent. I would lose home value anyway, so I’m doing all right. But then, at the other end, it is as if you’re playing that waiting game, and then prices just keep going up. Keep going up. Keep going up. That’s going to hurt a lot. For many people, an easy way to invest is the dollar cost average, and that’s always to buy a regular amount at a regular amount of time. Then that way back over a year, five, or ten years, your average price to purchase. You probably have a higher chance of being in profit, and it is the idea, right? And is the theory that works out? 

I know people in real estate. They aim to DCA at least one house a year, sometimes two houses a year. I just want to buy one house a year, and then, after 1015 years, I will have a portfolio of real estate beneath me that I can lean on. 

And so, they’re not trying to time the market and be like, I’ll buy seven properties. This year, when something you know with interest rates says this or prices do this in this market like Florida or something like that, I’m going to do a sweep, which is I’m not dismissing that. I think it’s great if you’re educated and can make that decision. 

But I know people who do very well and just focus on. People are concerned about buying one property yearly, even in this current environment. And I also just want to make the conversation on hoping for a market crash. For your investment and opportunity, it’s kind of depressing. You know what I mean? 

You’re hoping that many people will fail, lose money, and have a hard time so that you can have a good opportunity to buy a house.

But that’s basically how many investors think. Though they’re waiting for the prices to come down, that’s how the game is played. Or maybe there’s another perspective on this.

Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I mean, you look at like. I mean, there are all these large firms like UM, who was it that I think Black Rock in Canada just made a massive residential purchase acquisition. It’s like you follow the money. If these large firms continue to grab up all the available residential properties, then just look at small fish like us that you know have. Property. They’re going to keep coming, and they’re going to keep on trying to acquire, you know, this sayings like you will own nothing. And you will love it. 

And like I, I’m not always the best at remembering. Who says these quotes? And I hear the quotes, and I know that they’re. I know that they’re really good. But that idea is right: if these large institutions are just going to own all the property, they’re just going to. Rent at A at a what? You know, whoever decides is a reason. Cost and so as long as those purchases, those super large purchases are happening, I don’t know that gives me a little bit of strength in, in the idea that we should keep buying and holding these properties and not letting large investors kind of come through and sweep the market. 

And there’s always, you know, complex variables, you know. I mean, there’s. Where is there a housing area in Montana? It was. It was a military base for a while; housing exploded. The military base shut down. Now, the place is like a dump. You know what I’m saying? Like cops don’t even really drive through there. It’s kind of just been, like, been given to the people. In a not positive way, and so, you know, opportunities like that happen. 

It could be an opportunity for an institution to scoop up properties, and so optically, it’s like they’re buying many residential properties. It’s like, no, I mean, they’re more so buying a dilapidated town and potentially trying to renovate it. And so, there’s always, yeah, outliers to the idea.

I had to ask you a question because we discussed the House market crashing and your perspective. 

So, when the 2007 and 2008 crashes happened in real estate, right? I have met a few people during my lifetime. And then when I talked to them, these businesspeople, they’re like, the best time to buy property was during the 1929 Great Depression and the 2007 crash, and I was like, for more, I was like, man, that’s messed up because a lot of people lost the thing. 

But then, when I thought of it from a businessman’s perspective, Oh ****. This guy makes sense like this. If you take out the emotion and just look at Roger. I wanted to understand your perspective of the 2007 and 2008 crash regarding real estate and how you would perceive it, you know?

It’s a big, complex beast tonight, and I don’t fully understand what caused the dominoes to fall. But I will say that much money is made during those load times. 

So, being an entrepreneur who is prepared for when those opportunities happen is good. But as far as like perspective on. What happened and how did that, you know, I think? I think you know a lot of what has been taught about the process, and what’s gone down is that people were irresponsible. 

It kind of gives loans out. Really, with the gut knowing that it wasn’t the best, I think that wasn’t the best person to give this loan out to at this interest rate and to do that across the board, eventually. It was just putting too much responsibility on people that didn’t necessarily fulfill. That. Which is why it’s a tough process to apply for a home. You know your credits must be in a good spot, and your debts must be in a good spot. All these things and.

And yeah, but you know. I watched the movie too, do you know? And so, there’s, I don’t know how much of my idea is kind of manipulated by Hollywood, but it just seems like it’s. I don’t know what if it was one of those situations of where it was mildly orchestrated to or not to get to conspiracy, but to where, you know, maybe somebody was looking for a crash, for an opportunity and to kind of like, have all these people kind of fail and then and then they go through and scoop up a bunch of stuff, you know, it’s. I don’t know. Yeah, I think there’s. I think there’s a lot of.

That’s what a large.

And you know, when you look at the world of finances and you look. At. A lot of these big firms. There’s shady stuff that happens, for sure. And I don’t know at all, but just kind of what I guess my gut feels on some of the things. But, yeah, the opportunity for some was disastrous for many people, and for sure, many lives were lost, and a lot of money was lost in those in that crash.

No, I mean, yeah, it was a disaster. But when you look at it from the one percenter or an entrepreneurial perspective, you start getting a different mindset. And I mean, it’s just how the game is played, but ideally, it’s all about mindset and education. You get the investor’s mindset when you get a real estate education. 

You learn how that happens, and slowly, you can. You can start knowing the rules of the game. You know, it’s kind of like a monopoly kind of thing. You have to know how the rules of the game are played. And most people don’t. Know all the rules. They know only a few rules here and there, and if you don’t know how to play all the rules, you’ll lose most of the time, you know? But that’s. Just my opinion you.

Know and there, and no book gives you all the rules you can pay for. All the courses in the world teach you to speak to people and have them teach you. The rules, but it’s. Yeah, it’s still quite ambiguous, and I think it’s always changing. 

And I think, yeah, I think that game and it’s I love them, I love that you keep calling it a game because that’s the way that I view it too is I’m as far as like when you start looking at like business and money, and I’m a nerd too you know I. I grew up playing video games, too, so that’s how my brain works. But it’s kind of a game to figure out. When you figure it out, it can be a game to be played successfully.

Yeah. And like, in addition to that, it’s like sometimes I feel like even then you learn the education, you start playing the game, there’s all these, these big fish, these massive like, you know, like, what do you mention, like the Black Rock, like these big corporations is swallowing whole things. 

And then there are, like, the small-time investors who figure out everything. But it’s kind of like. The odds are that you just have to play smartly, but then they’re like, how many people can I educate about this? And it’s always like it’s always like an uphill battle. Yeah.

Yeah, definitely. And kind of like to go on your point too, which is like, you know, business politics. Is there so much business that happens? You know people, people do business with, with people that they like and obviously, you got to be good at your job and be, you know, it’s solid and all that and you know an expert in your field or Whatever you want to. Say and, but if somebody doesn’t like you, they won’t do business with you. I’m at the same point. If somebody likes you, they might do business with you over somebody who might technically be a better fit to do business With.

And, but that’s just the politics of the game. You know, there are house deals that happen where I’m. Like. How are you the one that got that? Or how are you not trying to take away from the individual? But it’s just like you didn’t necessarily. I would have a couple of people in mind that would be a good fit for that deal, and then I’d be like, huh, that was a curveball. But then you do a little bit. Of digging, you’re like, oh, this is why. Because so and so and this and that kind of a thing. 

And so small-scale Helena that happens on a big scale globally. And so yeah, you’re always fighting an uphill battle like there’s. I was just listening to a podcast interview and talking about day trading and the difficulties of the business, and I dabbled in some of them. I made some money for a while, got pretty excited about it, got a big ego, and then lost it. 

And I was like, OK. Yeah. This is real, but day traders. They’ll spend a quarter, $1,000,000 a year on expenses just to ensure they’re top-end educated, are in the know, and get information first. You know, and then you’re a small, firm, small guy. You’re working extra hard to try to beat that hard.

It’s difficult to beat somebody who can just spend a quarter million on education and information. But yeah, and I think when it comes to the whole black politics game, the one thing that I’ve been trying to do is position myself better for that. Is not to like be a politician. But what is it that you and I are sales guys? And so, there’s always a natural, like politician vibe. 

But, like, what is important? You. What is kind of like causes or what are? What are things that you can kind of help out with that are important to you and then kind of put yourself in that community? And then that will kind of be? A little bit of the like the political field for you is like. So, like for me? I was in foster care. I had a tough time growing up. Single mom worked hard. I love my mom a lot. You know, and so there’s a couple just from like. Roots originate from the YMCA and different foster systems here in town. And there are a couple of different options if you want to kind of go in, like Big Brothers, Big Sisters, or stuff like that. 

And so, join those like community groups and do soul work like it’s for you, but then, as far as the politics go. People like that, and then they like that you’re working with the community, and they like that, and they like, oh, I didn’t know that. 

So, I was doing this and this in his free time and helping the community, and then that just kind of gives you those. Extra. When it comes to business, eventually you scale that, and you’re like, how can I do more? Like, I want to do more than that. Help you know one kid or two kids with Big Brothers Big Sisters. You know, how do I help 100 kids or 1000 kids, or how do I inspire? Ten thousand people who had a rough childhood and did not want to let that be their identity and to get past that, you know, bigger organizations, bigger groups, stuff like that just kind of naturally grows as you grow with it. 

And that’s something I’m trying to do this year: make more effort. I work with my community, with my base story, to be inspirational and to help in that field.

That’s amazing. You’re truly right that, ultimately, you must understand human nature because, whether you love it or not, the business has politics involved in it at some level, you know, and so on. On another note, are there any other projects you’re working on that you want the audience to see now?

Well, I mean. I’m in the learning season right now, so I’ve been working on my education, and the number of active projects is kind of low. But I think it’s great if people want to follow me on that and then, as projects develop, follow me there as well. 

But so, like, I have my website. Very not good at websites. If you know anybody that could help me with websites, that would be, and I’m like again, like I’m so nervous and spend so much time on the Internet and computer, you will think that I’d be better at building websites. But I’m not. 

And then so. But I have my website, wineaux.io, which is like my personal website. It’s like some of my goals if you want to see it. What I’m working on and some of the things I’ve done and then like my careers, and then eventually I think it would be a good kind of like central like a blog of my business and my personal life and type of a thing. And then I have my Instagram. SyeWhitesells. This has been something. 

I recently hired a marketing team for my first initiative to help me be better about social media marketing and consistent with content delivery, so work is also in progress. I started that page, and then yeah, with Facebook, there is a sign of white real estate, so you can follow me there and kind of see. Or just follow me on Facebook and Instagram. She is a nice and easy name to remember. 

And then kind of be, yeah, be a part of the journey there. But past that, like projects that I’m currently working on in the season of learning, I just did my advanced commercial, which was kind of a big thing. Now, I’m working on my luxury fine homes and estates certification, and then I will work on my Brokerage license. Getting those ticked off for the year would be good. Everything that I’m doing. Regarding personal fitness businesses like real estate, commercial real estate, financial analysis, market analysis, etc. 

As I’m doing it and learning more for myself, I’m also training bots on the back end. I’m doing all that at 1:00 to get more familiar with AI as it’s developing—but not to overall health productivity for myself and others. 

So, I made a bot for commercial real estate. I made a bot for it. It’s kind of like self-maximizing made a bot for fitness tracking. And stuff like that and bots are getting easy to make, too. It’s not, so I guess I’d probably call that my biggest project right now is educating myself, and when working on educating these bots, I’m sure my boss at the office here in town should say my biggest project would be working on my market and building my business. But I think this is something that. Is laying down a strong foundation for that to grow this year?

I’m sorry. That’s awesome, and I wanted to ask you so many questions because, you know, it’s an amazing conversation, but the hour comes to a close. 

So, I want to let you know that I had an amazing time talking to you. Your knowledge is amazing. Regarding real estate, I would hope that you come back to this show at a later date.

I already called those. I would. I would love to, brother. And I’d, I’d love to. I’m going to, you know, check out some more of your recent videos and keep watching them. That you’re popping out, but I, you know, I love that you’re doing this, brother. I love that you’re taking the time out. And you, you know, you reached out to me, which is a huge part, too. It is reaching out to. People are trying to build connections and relationships. 

And so, I love the journey that you’re on, man. I’m very excited to see where this goes and how you will look when you’re at the top.

Thank you, Sye; I appreciate that. And I want to conclude this episode by letting my fellow extraordinary Americans know that, hey, look, there’s an extraordinary within every one of us. We must awaken it and unleash it until next time. Bye for now.