Welcome back to the Show my fellow extraordinary Americans. For today’s guest, we have Jon Jervert.  Jon is a visionary leader and founder of Black Point, Standard Consulting Group, A strategic advisory firm that specializes in developing high-performance teams for CEOs, venture capital, and private equity firms. With over 10 years of experience in human performance. Improvement, coaching, and Consulting Jon have a proven track record of success working with a diverse range of clients including CEOs, executors, icons, influential leaders, professional athletes, and Navy seals. Tourists work with Black Point standards. Jon has helped clients access the most elite talent and high-level networks on the planet. 

In order for them to create global impact and a thriving society, he’s also the leader of the firm’s zerkers division, where he designs and facilitates adventure-based retreats that help individuals and teams build. Trust, communication, and problem-solving skills. He is known for his ability to inspire and motivate people to push beyond their comfort zones to reach their goals, and his extensive experience, knowledge, and passion for adventure and human performance make him one of the top human performance retreat facilitators in the world. 

In addition to his professional Pursuits, Jon is an avid surfer, extreme sports enthusiast, and outdoor enthusiast who tries in challenging environments and leverages his passion for adventure to enhance human performance. His unique approach combines the best of adventure and human performance to deliver results that are nothing short of extracting, so I’m really honored to have him on the show. Jon, are you there? 

I am here. How are you doing Cosmos? 

I’m doing good, Jon. It’s an honor to have you on the show. I know that you’re a performer. You’re in the performance coaching business and you’re the founder and CEO. Can you tell us a little bit more about yourself and your background and how you got started?

Yeah, actually I got started a few years ago. You know, it was a moment in time. I had spent nearly a decade in the banking industry. I got married pretty young when I was 23 and I had a baby. And yeah, I kind of got into a job that, you know, was paying the bills and was fulfilling to a certain extent. But after about a decade there, I realized I was in the wrong spot and not aligned. And one day my daughter came to me, and said, Dad, do you love what you do? And I couldn’t honestly look her in the eyes and tell her I did. So that was the moment that I realized I needed to start leading by example. 

So, I left the banking industry and you know, it was one of those moments in time where there’s like a little bit of fear, you know because you had a family to support. But I had this dream inside of me that I knew I had to pursue, and so I started doing things. I left the banking industry; I started doing things like Scott diving and bungee jumping into orange races and backpacking 3/4 of the coast to Costa Rica. And surfing with crocodiles and. I realized that. 

The way of surfing with crocodiles, Jon, that is, that is crazy. Oh my God. 

Yeah, yeah. I mean, we were out there surfing and, you know, in the US The lifeguards blew the whistle and it’s like they’re just maybe telling somebody that they’re in the wrong spot. But it’s out there and the whistle; the guy was blowing the whistle and I didn’t take much mind to it. And then I came in and they’re like, there was a crocodile tied to the tree. And they’re like, oh, this, this was actually out there surfing with you. I’m like, but that would have been informed to have a little bit sooner. 

So apparently when you’re in Costa Rica, if somebody blows a whistle when you’re out there, surfing might want to come in, yeah. So that was interesting, but apparently, it happens quite often in Costa Rica, so I guess it’s just something to get used to. 

But so, I went to and back to Pavones which is one of the longest left-hand breaks in the world and I’ve been backpacking with like 30 pounds of weight or 50 pounds of weight on my back. My surfboard, and you know it’s about a three-hour hike there because we missed the actual bus to the actual point and you were exhausted. And the sun was setting, and like the water was breaking over my feet and I heard this voice within and without. It was like this vibration. And it said Well done. Now go to the world. 

And I realized at that point that you know that I was meant to pursue this mission of helping people transform their lives and help them overcome fear, and gain the confidence, confidence, and commitment to relentlessly pursue their dreams. 

So, I came back to the States, and I started facilitating adventure challenge experiences. Actually, did things like having people right there? Before they jumped out of an airplane. To illustrate how finite life really is and how important it is to pursue your dreams because we don’t know how much time we have left on this planet. And that’s doing things like white water rafting and having people learn about flow state. So, the rocks represent the obstacles in life and the river represents flow. So, I started connecting these Physical experiences with mental shifts and transitions in order to optimize one’s performance. 

So, I came back to the States, and I was like all the things that had that maybe I had a little fear around during anxiety or you know. Low self-confidence and things like that started to shift. I’m like, I think I may be on to something here. 

So I officially got certified as a professional coach and started coaching individuals, and so I combined coaching and consulting and eventually, you know, got into forming Black Point Standard, which became the human performance company. And you know, I’ve learned from some of the top people in the world and. Developed relationships with some absolutely tremendous individuals. You know, some of which have scaled multiple companies to billions of dollars. So now I can bring all those resources in addition to the methodology I developed to individuals to help them accelerate their performance and optimize their life.

Wow, Jon, this is amazing because what you just described to me and the audience is basically kind of like you were in the banking industry, which is pretty much all about money and numbers and all that stuff. 

You went on a journey that some would call an adventurous spiritual journey – half the people in this world would want to have, like, a spiritual journey like that, and then basically you came back with the knowledge. This is almost kind of like a movie in a certain respect, you know, as you go over. There and then you say that you. You had an Inner voice telling you that this is your dream. 

This is what you have to do, you know. How many people would wish that they? Had something telling them what their path and purpose are. Is like a lot of times it could be underestimated. But like a lot of people don’t know what their path and purpose are in this world. 

So, from your perspective, how would somebody go about finding their path?

I think everybody has it inside of them. So, the first thing that I tell people to do is to figure out what emotions they want to create in others. So, for me, it’s about helping people feel alive and awakened inside. So, if you can figure out what that thing is that you desire to create in this world, start with the feelings. That’s a clue as to a potential way to go. 

The second thing is I always recommend people write their obituary. I wrote it when I first started in the financial industry as an exercise, and it’s been sitting in my inbox somewhere for about 10 years. I picked it up later on and I realized that my life was passing me by and that all those things that I had, all those dreams, were just slipping away. 

So that is a document that you can keep and frame up, you know, right next to your bed or wherever you want to keep it, to keep it close to mine. Because over the years I’ve seen those things come true. Like so. It’s pretty, pretty, pretty intense seeing those things come true. 

and then the third thing is to think of. What ****** Are you off? So, what is in your heart that you feel is absurd? What do you want to change? 10 years and chances are because it’s in your heart. You were potentially meant to do something about it, so when you can connect some of these things and there’s a whole process called The Whom am I exercise that I work people through. That helps them truly identify who they are, underlying everything, and helps them move towards that thing instead of being in maybe a career that they’re unfulfilled with or a relationship or a situation in their life. 

Because sometimes you feel alone, right in that. This is because society in general is saying, hey, do this, do this, do that and eventually you succumb to it. But there’s a tremendous amount of energy that you need to get connected with in order to break free from that mindset. And you know, that’s what I’m here to tell people to do.

So, Jon, it’s a very interesting point that you bring up because you know like a lot of people are, they feel stuck in their jobs, but they don’t have the courage to leave their job. Take the risk that you took. Which is, by the way, a huge risk you took for the family. And then you decided to like to leave your thing and like to pursue your passion. It’s really difficult for most people to do that. 

So my question to you would be, how would you advise somebody that is stuck in a career job and wants to go do something? That is something that they’re passionate about, but they’re too afraid to, to, like, try something new because they’re like in the comfort zone or because. It’s too risky. Finance. 

Yeah, I don’t know if I’d actually advise him to do exactly what I did because I was at a point where I just needed to get out and I probably would have had a little bit of a transition period, you know? So, I took the leap of faith. I had no idea what was going to happen on the way down, and I didn’t care because I was just ready to go. And that caused a lot of hardship for my family, actually.

So, I said to myself, I’m going to live life to the fullest or die trying and that didn’t happen. That meant I would do it whether I succeeded or not, and I ended up having to claim bankruptcy at certain points, sell my house, you know, and eventually moved back in with my family. I had to trade in my dream car at certain points. 

So, like there’s been ups and downs and coming from being a banker right and working and making a pretty good living to having to go back with family, you know kind of go through these challenging situations and at points not having food on the table for my family. There were times that I could have given up and I think that you know if you can persevere and move through that and know that everything will be OK. And have a supportive family. You know, those are the things that are super important when you’re making that transition. So, #1 is, you know, having the support of your family, getting them all on the same page, and being willing to sacrifice whatever it’s like, being willing to lose everything in order to gain everything. 

But you know, if that’s not an option, which? You know in hindsight as I said, I would have been a little bit more compassionate toward my family’s experience through the process to, you know, maybe work on something part-time, you know, after hours, something that you’re super passionate about, something on the weekends captures back like 15 minutes in your day to work on something that you’re passionate about and then see where that goes. 

And then eventually, you know. Work down to see if you can go part-time right 20 hours a week and do something that covers what your basis is and then continues to grow and grow and grow. And you know the idea of having five iterations of, you know, business or a different career that really holds true and some people don’t go through that. So be willing to fail, but never give up.

So, Jon, it’s an interesting thing that you see this Because when you did. Your transition. You basically skydive like the experience you went to was like somebody because I know I’ve skydived twice as basically what you describe to me as going to a banker to like what you did was a Skype-like skydiving experience. 

But what you’re advising people to do is to transition on an incremental level. Like first started out as a hobby and then do get, then go into it part-time and it slowly gets to a level where, you know, like the Dimes. And then you’re going for the dollars with regard to what you’re passionate about, am I right? 

I mean, it really depends on your situation. Like if you could just go for it and go for it, you know like it’s going to accelerate the process. But just be prepared for what’s to come and move through it. But if you want to be a little bit more responsible, sort of, you know, and you have a family, things like that there are like a few different stages to it. I would say for sure.

And what’s interesting about skydiving, too, is that the first time I did it, it was like I was freaked out. And like nervous and tense and it’s the same thing with making a transition or changing directions like the first time you do it, it’s like you’re super tense and you’re nervous and the second time the guys as you know, you’re like one of the most relaxed people I’ve ever jumped with. 

So, once you do those things, they start to become second nature and you can relax in it and then become more aware and see more of what you are around. So, I was able to look out and see the ocean and other things as opposed to just. Hold on for dear life. 

So, Jon, you know you talk about like in your performance thing, you’re pretty much like really good at getting out of your comfort zone, right? Like, but most people find that really hard to do. Like it’s one of the hardest things for them to do. It’s Kind of like, you’re in a warm shower and you’re just super comfortable, but you don’t want to go out into the cold. And then get to do the things necessary to get to that better state of life. How do you advise people to get out of their comfort zone in a way that’s practical? 

Well, to get outside your comfort zone, you don’t need to go more than like 4 or 5% outside of your comfort zone in order to gain. An advantage in where you’re going so it turns out to be huge. Sometimes people get up to talk with somebody at a bar outside their comfort zone. Sometimes it’s jumping out of the plane, sometimes it’s, you know, so everybody has a different threshold. 

So, I’d say find your threshold and do something enough that it is. It scares you but doesn’t scare you to the point where you’re not going to continue. Like when I got mentored by Gerlach, who was one of the top surfers in the world at one point. And the crew is number one in the world, and he served 60-foot waves. I got some time to mentor him. 

And he said, you just don’t Go out in 60 Foot waves and, you know, take somebody new out in 60-foot waves. You go out to the shoulder and have them watch it for a little bit and then they move in a little bit, move in a little bit, move in a little bit. 

So, I think it’s a very personal experience of how far you want to push yourself outside your comfort zone. I like to think about it like this: you know, when you go outside your comfort zone, it’s fear. Like we feel fear, but fear is actually excitement, fear is a cousin. 

So, when I feel fear, I actually lean into it and know that I’m moving in. The right direction. And we’re actually hardwired to avoid getting killed… Or danger or fear. So, you’re actually going against your instinctive intuition, so it’s switching, bypassing all those thousands of years of evolution, and knowing that we’re not. Trying to be safe from predators, you know, Saber tooth tigers and things like that. 

So, knowing that we’re operating from a mind that has not evolved to where we’re at right now, we now say, OK, so I feel this fear intuitively it feels like I shouldn’t be doing this, but I know that if I step outside my comfort zone then I’m going to get to where I want to go. Let me lean into this. Let me embrace this fear and turn it into excitement. 

Well, Jon, you bring up a really good point because I studied this concept of fight and flight response, and like basically when you’re in a really dangerous situation or when you’re doing something that you’re not used to, you get this really strange sensation where the way people respond is either in the fight mode or the flight mode and if you can convert the flight mode into flight mode then it really creates a lot of excitement and an adrenaline rush, at least for a lot of people. 

So I don’t know if that’s similar to what you’re talking about, but like you were mentioning about turning fear into something, that’s how you like from your perspective, how are you going to turn that fear Into excitement or something that’s a positive emotion. 

Yeah, it’s really awareness and you’re right on with the fighter flight and it’s either conscious-based thinking or fear-based thinking. So, we can be reactive to a situation, and this goes into different levels of consciousness and the conscious human form. This conversation where you know, in essence, there’s like 7 different levels of consciousness that people can operate in.

 So if you’re like, say level 1 is fear, you know, lethargy level 2 is anger, frustration, rage. Level 3 is maybe rationalization. Blaming others. Level 4 is maybe somebody that reacts in helping others but is not helping themselves as much. Level 5 is maybe a lot of energy. A lot of ideas, a lot of scattered attention very often. Manual level 6 is maybe something that operates in the spiritual realm and then level 7 is pure passion, logic, and passion combined. 

So it’s being aware and being able to step outside of the situation and choose, you know, am I going to show up in a fear-based mindset and decision or am I going to? Look at it consciously. How can I create or perceive this situation in a positive and all saying positive negative, but in a way, that’s going to serve my path and my mission?

That’s really interesting. So, Jon, with regards to this fear and like you transforming, it was like the biggest lesson you learned over your transition period from the banking industry to where you’re at now, like during this entire journey, what would be like a significant lesson like you learned over the process. 

The biggest lesson is that when we focus on what we don’t want, we focus on our fears. That’s exactly what we get. 

So one of the biggest fears I had in pursuing this path was, you know, not being able to support my family financially through the process, and that eventually led to us claiming bankruptcy because  I think at that time early on I was, you know, focused on that a little bit too much, you know, and not focused on like you’re trying to prevent something from happening as opposed to creating the future that I desire and then having the mindset of what’s going to happen so. 

You know, I grew up in a household where there was scarcity of money, and you know, not the best environment you know, but not saying it was worse, but so there was a lot of that to overcome. If I were to choose one thing, it would be the awareness in that transition and knowing and stepping into the things that I desired as opposed to …  There was a desire but there was also a little bit of residual in the things that I was afraid to happen, you know, and as soon as those things happen, as soon as I claim that. That the next day I was. Like the Sun just came up. Like life continues and goes on. Right. So, it’s like sometimes you allow those things to happen and then you free yourself from them.

Wow, Jon, like a lot of times, like a lot of people, if they went through your situation, they would just be they would not be able to get out of it. But you had a different mindset, like yours. The entire process was where you had a bankruptcy and you had to think about finances. What was your thought process? What was the evolution of your thought process and actions and what would you advise somebody? Who would be in a similar position on how to go through something like that?

Well, I think a lot of times in society, we place a lot of value on who, who, what we’re doing our results for instance I can sales right a lot of times if you’re in sales and you have a bad month like you only have a bad sales month but you also have a bad mental month. You know, it’s like you get down on yourself. Maybe your relationships deteriorate and things like that. 

So, the biggest lesson I learned is that. I’m not where I’m at a lot of times. Like, you know, like regardless of how down and out I’ve been. That’s not me. It’s who I’m showing up. 

So if I’m showing up with resilience, with determination, with passion, you know, regardless of the situation, if I’m off if I’m doing. Or if I’m struggling because there’s nothing that is set, everything changes. 

You know we went through COVID right? And a lot of people’s worlds got turned upside down and those that place their value on things in this world, there’s they struggle. They struggle in those times, but what if, regardless of the situation, you could have the mental fortitude to continue on and have that stuff almost not affect you? You know. And actually, it becomes a gift and a blessing to make you stronger.

Wow, Jon. I’m kind of impressed. Like how the evolution of like, how you went through that and then you ended up going to the other side.

On a different note, I wanted to ask you, Jon, so you know American identity, right is about one of the core American identities is about the pursuit of happiness. Right. And you are focused on helping people attain their dreams and attain that level of happiness. 

So what do you think is stopping people today… Most people today, from attaining the state of happiness and how do you think they should go about it?

I think true happiness is just a perspective. So, I think it’s just a simple shift of mindset. And so, a lot of people will say, I’ll be happy when I get this car. I’ll be happy when I get this house or when I get this job or when I have this much money.

Results-oriented, yeah.

So, we can choose happiness in every single moment. And actually, you know, I went through some special forces, military events, training, and things like that. And one of the things they said is to embrace the suck. So, if you can embrace the suck and actually have it.

I’ve never. I’ve never heard of you having to explain to me in the audience. What does that mean exactly? 

So, basically embracing this means that instead of showing up in a challenging situation and getting frustrated and angry and maybe avoiding the thing, you lean into it. You know, you embrace the things that suck, and they actually start to bring you joy. 

And that’s one of the reasons why I love using challenges as a method to move people into a new mindset is because when you’re put under stress, you can truly see how that person’s operating in the world. So, like, if they’re under stress, do they Kind of withdraw and avoid? Or do you see frustration and rage and all other stuff?

So, the whole point of us pursuing our passion a lot of times, if we’re in an unfulfilling career, is that we want to experience something different. But then people get into their businesses or their job, new jobs, and they’re like this is frustrating. I feel the same as I did when I was at my job.

So subconsciously they self-sabotage themselves. Because they’re like men, this is the same feeling. But if you can embrace the things that are challenging and hard and not necessarily fun at the time, they’re a true success in life. Is having a good time in any situation you know, and that leads to the ultimate positive outcome. So not getting focused so much on the outcomes and results are important, but if you can feel good in the pursuit of that, that’s true happiness.

I mean, it’s kind of like what you’re seeing does make sense, but a lot of people tend to be results-oriented, and they try to look at the outcomes instead of just being in the moment. I think it’s like a kind of Zen book, this perspective to what you’re saying, but I don’t know, like, that’s basically what I’m getting at. Where did you get this understanding from? Was it through your experiences or was it through spirituality in general? 

It was a combination of both. Yeah, I’ve always had this connection. I feel like the spiritual peace of life, divine love, and connection and compassion, you know, from a young age that’s kind of intuitive to me. 

And you know, taking that into a very highly competitive sales industry like the banking industry or finance industry and then seeing the opposite side of that where I’m sitting in a training room and somebody in front of 125 people says starts the meeting off with greed is good. And I’m like this is the opposite of what I believe. 

So maybe I’m not… Maybe I’m done with this culture. I really do believe that, you know, getting connected to being OK with pursuing results because that gives us kind of like a barometer of what’s working, what’s not working. 

So, when I say Level 7, I mean we’re not ignoring the practical application and the logical approach to success because there’s Value in that but also merging the spiritual into that. So, when you can do both then you have an advantage in life in order to make progress quicker than most where some people are stuck in the practice and some people are stuck in the spiritual. But combining those two is super powerful.

So, Jon, this is really interesting. When you mentioned greed is good, right? 

Because that was basically 1980s America in a nutshell. If you went to Manhattan or New York in the 1980s and you had a garden gecko and then you’re like all these major billionaires and like Wall Street and all that, they’re basically talking about, that’s that was Essential, the mentality like that was the. Era, 

But then now We’re noticing in the 20s in twenties there’s like a different mindset with the younger generation. Which are they? Who is more leaning on a spiritual basis? And I feel like on a national level, there’s kind of like a battle between the egotistical greed is good. Like, get as much as you can versus a more spiritual understanding That you’re mentioning like, what do you what is your perspective and how America has evolved from that greed is good to like a younger generation that believes in like the same concepts that you that you’re thinking of? 

I think the real big distinct distinction there is that wealth has become a spiritual pursuit, and if energy is money and we’re exchanging energy, it’s actually looking at the pursuit of wealth, creating a more positive impact on more people. 

So, it’s not necessarily a win-or-lose situation. You know in the pursuit, whereas that might have been previously. Now it’s a win/win scenario like how can we create a positive impact in everybody’s lives that are involved and then also look at it from creating a global positive impact?

That isn’t at the cost of, you know, employees or people that are involved in the System is where I see things going. Personally, I don’t think we can sustain ourselves if People’s souls are not being served. In the organizations that they’re a part of and people are waking up to that, especially going through the pandemic and you know, there’s a lot of people out there that are asking themselves after, you know, spending decades or years in a job like, is this really how I want to spend my life for the rest of my life or is there is something different. Well, where do I go? Where do I turn? Like, who’s out there? How can I learn? 

And so, I believe that the education system needs to go through a revolution so that, like individuals, students can go through and learn some of the things that we’ve made and I’ve made learned over the last 40 Years, you know, through experiences through, you know, a decade of challenges and hardships.

So, school systems and corporations. I think there’s a huge opportunity for us to create new ways of learning. And that’s one of the things that I’m doing with the retreats and the work that I do in the world. 

No, like I respect what you’re doing because at the end of the day, a lot of people slave away at the corporate culture and corporate America, and then they give their entire life to that without living for themselves, you know, like actually being passionate and like doing what makes them happy and they work to make other people’s dreams come true. 

But they never really focus on what is important to them, what makes them truly happy, and then the process that you’re talking about, the experiences that you’re talking about, and what you went through is basically essentially symbolizing that you’re working in the banking industry and then all of a sudden you had this transition pause, which I wanted to ask you…

What was that moment in you that made you decide? I can’t do this anymore. 

The moment I realized that my decisions and my fear were affecting my kid’s life, and my daughter’s life. They’re watching. Do you know anybody that has kids, they’re watching your decisions and how you show up. And I didn’t want to do that. You know, I had a father that sacrificed much of his life. And you know, I wasn’t around and worked in New York and you know, the impact that had on me was profound. 

So, I didn’t want my daughter to take on that mindset or that fear or carry that forward into future generations. So that was my motivation to lead her by example and my son by example and show them truly. Anything’s possible, you know, because if we don’t do that in our lifetimes, then future generations will suffer. 

So it’s, I feel some more obligation as you know leaders of our families and leaders of ourselves to step into that and to get beyond that fear for the future.

Jon, I would recommend it to everybody; all the extraordinary Americans that are watching this right now basically take a look at their lives and like be like, you know what I have to do that makes me happy, and like they need to have a sense of self-reflection because like working for somebody else’s dreams at this point, it’s not going to serve. Like it’s not going to lead us to the next level, but I’m really glad that You shared your motivation. With us, because it’s really important for us to know these things.

And that’s not to say that there aren’t organizations and companies out there that people absolutely love to work for. You know, some people do want to just contribute as an employee, but I think if you have something inside of you that is not being fulfilled in that pursuit, then don’t be afraid to take a leap of faith, you know, and go for it. 

So, Jon, from your perspective, what is the greatest challenge that Americans face when it comes to realizing the American dream, and what do you think? They can overcome it. 

I think the biggest challenge is the gap. You know, there’s a lot of inflation, there’s a lot… the money is not necessarily going as far as it used to, and a lot of times there have to be two family members working and that leaves very little room. 

So, you know, having the opportunity to maybe downscale some of the living expenses and things like that? So I think the biggest challenge To be in order to sustain yourself while you’re making these transitions, you know, because as you’re starting to gain skills and knowledge and wisdom that takes time, I think that’s the biggest challenge is, you know, being able to sustain yourself or make that transition, especially if you’re making, you know, 152 hundred, $150,000 a year. And you’re making good money, but you’re not necessarily fulfilled. There’s a little bit of a curve, right? And when you’re starting a business or you’re pursuing something different? 

So, I think that’s the biggest challenge. And then the second one is, isn’t knowledge getting access to the right knowledge? You know, there’s a lot of great information out there, but the information doesn’t always equal wisdom. So, I think, you know, getting wisdom from mentors and organizations that have the correct path to accelerate your process is also hard to find sometimes because we’re constantly being marketed to and there are lots of messages and scattered attention. So those are two pitfalls I see that could be worked on for sure as a society. 

I think like right now there’s like a lot of information as you’re saying, like a lot of fake information, and like a lot of people are trying to figure out what is real and what is not real. And a lot of times, they will gravitate toward things that they already have an opinion about. 

But I think that in order to get to the next level, we have to see all the sides and just try and. Focus on the self-improvement part.

Yeah, absolutely. Finding somebody that’s been where you want to go is, is, is so important. You know, finding that right person or a group that can help come alongside. I think one of the other pitfalls is feeling isolated. 

So, when you go out and you start pursuing things and people are like, are you insane? What are you doing? Like just go back to your job and you know, be like everybody else. There’s a huge pull on that and that can be very isolating, especially as you’re shifting your mindset. The majority of the population might not be there yet, so I think having a community of people or a group or organization of like mindset can accelerate that process and make it a little bit easier as well. 

You know, you’re so right about that job because in your entrepreneurial journey, or at least in mine and a bunch of other people, and a lot of times, we feel a sense. Of isolation because. It’s not easy to shift. Like you’ve been living this certain life, for all this time. And you have these friends who are under this on a certain wavelength. But then now you make this transition. And they want to have the crab bucket mentality. They want to pull you back, but you. Have to get to this next level. 

And so, the way you do it is by meeting these new people that are on this Waveland that you want to be. But it’s easier said than done, you know like the process is pretty. It’s a pretty draining process, at the very least for a lot of people, I don’t know. What would be your perspective on that?

I mean, there’s a lot of things that. Need to happen in order for you to be… You. Because there are so many different layers that are kind of unaware that we’re putting on ourselves over the years that we might be unaware of. 

So, part of that I believe. You know, finding out truly who you are and becoming that person, being that person. And then I believe that those resources and individuals will come into your life, you know, so focus on being the best version of yourself and releasing yourself from negative patterns and thought processes and things like that. I think it’s huge in finding those people and resonating, you know energetically differently over the years, and I think that’s a huge thing that isn’t necessarily taught like they don’t teach you how to be in school. 

Jon, I personally believe we have to be the best authentic version of ourselves, but a lot of times most people are basically too busy thinking about what other people would think of them. They’re too busy, giving this image, but they’re living this fake life, and what you and I are talking about is we cannot do that. I’m far happier. You’ll be far happier in the long term. Being authentic to yourself, knowing who you are and then basically living the life that you want to live. But yeah, I would want my audience to know that because a lot of these might be Members of the audience. That is Basically, living a life that others want them to live, but they’re not living for themselves in that regard. So, I’m glad that you brought this point up. 

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was even like as I was going through my professional Career my legal name is Jon Christian Giver. My nickname is Kit. But I would separate those two individuals like the professional me and the me that likes to surf and travel and do all this other stuff. 

So the minute that I combined both those and gave myself permission to be who I am, regardless of what the situation is, that’s when things started to really get interesting and start to accelerate, you know because it’s like we pushed some of our parts of ourselves away thinking that you know, we’re going to get judged or it’s not how we should be showing up, but in every amazing relationship that I have there isn’t any of that. It’s like we show up as who we are, where we’re at, and move on from there. 

Jon, you have no idea how motivational and inspirational you are. But what do you say? It completely resonates with me. 

So, Jon, I wanted to ask you about your company’s Black Point standard. The Consulting Group. Can you tell me a little bit more about that and what it does? 

So basically, I look for impact-driven visionary leaders who are building businesses that are impacting the planet in positive ways. You know, basically bring in resources, whether that’s external teams, to help support them or whether it’s me coming in and doing conscious human performance work with the leadership and really surrounding the organization with the resources and network that they need in order to accelerate their growth and accelerate their impact in the world. So that would be the first part of the Black Point standard.

And then the second piece of it, which is the zerkers division. And that’s putting people, whether it’s through teams, or individuals, through these experiences to help them. Like when I went down to Costa Rica the first time I came back, my family said I was a completely different person.

 So basically, taking people through the experiences that I went through, which are like skydiving and zip lining and surfing and all these different things. Connecting medical, metaphysical, and physical experiences. And then allowing them to come back and perform at their optimal levels is the other component of it. 

Well, that’s awesome. I mean, I love skydiving. It’s a lot of fun, and I would definitely recommend my audience to definitely take a look into what you do. And so, the other question I had was, are there any projects that you’re working on right now that you want the audience to get a glimpse into? 

Yeah, we’re actually coming together as a group to look at resort properties and you know Colorado and Costa Rica and building out properties to run retreats. My long-term vision is to have many, many coaches, and facilitators under Zerkers and running adventure Challenge retreats around the world.

So that’s what we’re in the process of doing is actually raising funds to purchase resorts and build that retreat centers to bring people to have transformational experiences and create that evolved education in the evolved education institutions that I think we really need because it’s going to take a while for standard education systems incorporate some of these things into the curriculum for whatever reason. 

So, we’re going to, we’re going to be building out those facilities and locations for people to come and truly transform their lives and their mindsets. 

Jon, that is awesome. I really love what you’re doing. And so, I wanted to ask how the audience can connect with you and get to know a little bit more about yourself and what you’re doing in your work.

Yeah, absolutely. So, you know if there’s anybody out there that’s a visionary leader creating impact-driven business and wants to scale, then you’d want to go to the Blackpointstandard.com and you know if you’re somebody that is, you know, in transition or wanting to step into becoming a better leader or optimizing your mental and physical performance and love adventure, then I’d recommend going to zerkers.com. And connecting with you there. 

Jon, thank you so much for sharing that and I’m really glad that you came on the show and shared your insights. It’s amazing and I have deep respect for the way. You think and I would love for you to come back to the show at a later time. 

I love that.  

So, I want to conclude this show by letting everybody know and my extraordinary Americans know that there’s an Extraordinary within each and every one of us, it’s our duty to unleash it and awaken it until next time. Bye for now.